JA, JC, GR, G, F
JC: Assemblage point and cleaning one’s connection with intent are the two areas that strongly influenced me in this book.
JA: Yes, very important topics. It’s interesting how hard the naguals in this book had to work to shift their apprentices assemblage points. Rama had us move every few years. It forced us to shift, and quickly pull our lives back together again. I do think it was a way we attempted to push our assemblage points.
F: There were 3 ways identified in the book to move. The preferable one is to die symbolically, another was to be put into a life or death situation, which creates a flex of adrenaline.
JC: I know I go to the Place of no pity.
JA: The nagual Elias mentioned that when he was thrown in the water he was in two places at once, and that was a shift of the assemblage point beyond the place of no pity.
F: Something struck me in reading the book this time is that I knew less before, and there are a lot of things that make sense now that didn’t before. He said he was shifting between silence and reason. I thought that if he could shift between those then we could also be dying and be aware of another part of ourselves meditating at the same time. Also, could one be in sahaja Samadhi and nirvakalpa Samadhi at the same time? We could be in multiple dimensions at the same time.
JC: Yes. There were lots of reasons that Rama loved these books so much. They described so many things in our experience with him.
JA: This reading I understood that the eyes as connected to the spirit, and to intent. Don Juan said that the eyes are the closest connection to the spirit in the body. And intent can be called through them.
JC: The shining of the eyes is a reflection of intent.
F: In another book, Carlos looked into the eyes of the fighting cock and experienced the place of no pity. I was wondering if that could be connected to the pineal gland?
JA: Another important theme is that of Controlled folly. It occurred to me in this reading that my work is controlled folly. I’m in it, but not of it. There is always a sense of being unattached to it. We’re not motivated by the same things as others are. The important thing is to be impeccable. We have to learn what the best use of our energy is. That is impeccability.
F: Thanks for saying that because I made a decision several years ago to move into a different career, and it brought me more energy. I know it was the right move for me. I have much more energy now, although somewhat less financial security.
JC: I remember Rama saying that he questioned whether the Tulio brothers was true.
JA: Why? Did he think it was one person?
JC: No, it was more about the likelihood of getting 4 people who had the ability to create that level of intent together. (Note: This made me think Rama may have been alluding to the incredible challenges he had in getting us as his students to join together and accomplish our tasks.)
JA: Another key theme was that of Stalking. In the book, I got very clear that the sorcerer’s way is through stalking, and that it can be called with words. Life is an art, and stalking can turn that art into a worthwhile accomplishment.
GR: Stalking is a way to get to closer to the Truth. It isn’t an not imposing, it’s experiencing a depth in life. Rama once confirmed this for me. Someone had a pet and it did something. I reacted to the pet and he said that was stalking. I understood the animal more truthfully. Stalking wasn’t about being a hunter, as I thought it might be. Instead it was a way of interacting or being with things in this world.
JC: There was a technical approach to the assemblage point, as well, about it not being wobbly. That it needs to be stable. Stalking is a vast subject.
F: I think stalking is a continuity. Ultimately we are stalking ourselves. It is about finding out who we are… taming the tiger… dealing with ourselves.
JA: Yes, and overtime we don’t know exactly who we are. Originally, I thought we were one of the following: patient, sweet, cunning, ruthless. This reading clarified that we are all of those.
JC: We want to be a mystery even to ourselves. We need to surprise ourselves.
F: The less we know who we are, the closer to the Truth we are.
GR: I believe that shifting the assemblage point teaches us more of the parts of what we are as marvelous beings. “You’re all geniuses,” Rama said, though none of us believed that. But through the moves, career changes, and our experiences with him, we developed an expanded sense of self and sense of fluidity. Freedom comes with that.
F: I would have never been motivated to do what I’ve done with my life.
JA: Me neither! I don’t think I would have done 1/25th of what I’ve experienced in this lifetime. I recently was pulled into a new situation, which typically happen to me through relationships. In this case, in reading this book I realized that Eternity pulled me into this situation, and the fact that it was nothing like I expected it to be was also perfect, because it forced me to look at my emotions and overcome their pull. It was all perfect, though it didn’t happen the way I thought it would.
F: I like to see all those emotional experiences as lessons in getting to know ourselves better. Emotions are our teachers. I’ve been so vulnerable my entire life, but I’ve learned so much!
JA: I think the important this is to stay open to communicate with spirit. Cleaning ones’ connection with intent is an important part of that, or we miss the messages.
F: The book mentions the edifice of intent. Portals open in front of us. Opportunities.
JA: On page 145 and 146, Carlos talks about how he was in a state of longing when his assemblage point moved. For normal people, when their assemblage point moves, they want to get back to normalcy as quickly as possible. Humans want comfort zone. If you are aware of it, allow yourself to stay in that feeling of discomfort. It will stretch you. When the spirit creates those opportunities, we need to take advantage of the situation.
JC: I know I get into pain if I don’t go through those doorways.
GR: I agree with you both. The stretching allows us to make leaps and jumps. We all like comfort and familiarity. But when we don’t follow the spirit, part of us dies inside -- we don’t engage fully the spirit.
JA: The book say’s if we lead an impeccable life, spirit will be beckoned to us. I like that image. I don’t have to be a perfect meditator or a perfect selfless giver. I just need to be impeccable (so I have the energy) to be aware when spirit is beckoning.
F: Yes, we have to be ready for the grand gestures of spirit. The opportunities will be shown to us if we look at them… We are given different experiences.
JC: Thanks for that. I forgot we need to make friends with the spirit. We need to invite and communicate with the spirit.
JA: Yes, and when those moments hit we need to recognize our ability to move attention somewhere else. We don’t want to waste our energy. We have that ability. The story of the puma was interesting because sometimes when we are in these intense situations, we have to engage in irrational behaviors. Whistling or singing a song – something unexpected, like an earlier book where don Juan stood on his head when he met a magical deer. Sometimes it is the odd behavior that helps us shift to a place where success is possible in situations perceived as untenable.
I think that reading books like this, for those on this call, is important because we want to understand what we are going through, much like Carlos. I’m sure there are plenty of people who don’t need that understanding. Their probably fine with just having the experiences without the knowledge of what is happening to them.
JC: We want to be nimble and fluid enough to change… To come up with the idea of whistling, one has to be fluid and aware enough to come up with that.
F: I have a question – the book references 25 abstract cores. Does anyone know all of them? I counted about 4 in this book.
JA: I noticed the reference but I don’t know them. I thought they were in another of the Castaneda books.
F: Well, I’m studying ancient civilizations of Egypt and the eye on the pyramids. In one of the books there is reference to knowledge contained in the abstract cores related to the eye and the pyramid. So now I’m paying attention to these abstract core references.
JA: That sounds like a sign from spirit. You should follow it. Meanwhile the abstract core discussion reminded me of one other topic; in the book is referenced the notion of an abstract purpose. Over time I’ve found that very little interests me here, long term. I’m looking at what my abstract purpose is.
Lastly, there are 4 stages of connection to intent referenced in the book:
- The rusty, untrustworthy link
- Success in cleaning the link
- Learning to manipulate the link
- And lastly – learning to accept the designs of the abstract.
Next book is “The Large Sutra of Perfect Wisdom.”
Following are several notes post the call:
JA: The book brings up the idea that all we need is our connection to intent. Until one has that connection, they are still an apprentice. At that point they no longer need the teacher, life / spirit / eternity is their teacher. The teacher’s role is to attack one’s mirror of self-reflection. P. 180 – We need no one, but our connection to spirit.
JA: The book also connects self-importance with self-pity. Once we give up on our self-pity, we lose that self-importance. P. 172
JA: The book correlates the movement of the assemblage point with losing the self. (That sounds less abstract!)
JA: Pg. 190 – Our mask to our ruthlessness is how we calm ourselves. Examples of how we mask this are: through being intrigued (nagual Elias’), generosity (Carlos’), joking (nagual Julian’s), and reasonableness (don Juan.) I’ve been watching how I shift my assemblage point when I’m triggered (angered) by certain people and I believe I reason my way back to ruthlessness.